Hạng D
24/2/08
1.768
2.324
133
41
Sài Gòn.
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Họ bê nguyên cái máy về ráp chứ chọc ngoáy vào làm gì, vấn đề là SkyActiv chỉ hợp với nhiên liệu sạch
ko dám bê nguyên máy về ráp đâu, hãng nào thì ko biết chứ Thaco nó thay tùm lum đồ trong đó, ai đã coi quy trình nó thu hồi xe khắc phục lỗi là rõ. Skyactive là tên gọi thôi, cũng là máy Direct Injection thôi. Mà máy đó thì Merc, BMW, Hyundai Sonata, Ford FOcus, Fiesta,... chạy đầy ở Việt Nam. Chả có gì là lạ
 
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43
ko dám bê nguyên máy về ráp đâu, hãng nào thì ko biết chứ Thaco nó thay tùm lum đồ trong đó, ai đã coi quy trình nó thu hồi xe khắc phục lỗi là rõ. Skyactive là tên gọi thôi, cũng là máy Direct Injection thôi. Mà máy đó thì Merc, BMW, Hyundai Sonata, Ford FOcus, Fiesta,... chạy đầy ở Việt Nam. Chả có gì là lạ
Bác nào đổ thừ cho chất lượng xăng cộ là tầm bậy hết sức! GDI thì quá bình thường, xe Merc E, BMW X6 đổ xăng A92 còn chẳng báo lỗi. Em chạy Ford đổ toàn xăng 92 cả mười mấy năm nay có sao đâu ạ.
 
Hạng D
4/2/08
4.571
6.438
113
TPHCM
Forte, rồi là K3... xong quay lại Cerato, giờ bên Mẽo là Forte 2017, theo cái tên thôi đủ mệt, cứ như thánh Toyota cho khoẻ, Camry từ đầu tới cuối
 
Hạng B1
13/1/15
61
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Bác nào đổ thừ cho chất lượng xăng cộ là tầm bậy hết sức! GDI thì quá bình thường, xe Merc E, BMW X6 đổ xăng A92 còn chẳng báo lỗi. Em chạy Ford đổ toàn xăng 92 cả mười mấy năm nay có sao đâu ạ.
Ôi, ignorance is bliss....(dịch ra tiếng Việt là ngu si hưởng thái bình không biết đúng không nhỉ). Đọc cái này đi. Chú ý chỗ "It is very important to use high quality fuels and keep the filters clean" và chỗ "If you want to keep your car for a long period of time, the long-term reliability of a GDI engine is an important factor". Xăng ở VN bị pha tùm tum, chất lượng bậy bạ mà xài GDI thì, he he, dzui lém.. .

Even though every other car nowadays seems to offer gasoline direct injection (GDI), Mercedes-Benz was the first to exploit this technology in the 1955 300SL. But it wasn’t until the mid-1990’s that other automakers started to use GDI in mass produced vehicles. GDI promises marginal increases in fuel economy (3% reduction in BSFC ) but its real benefits include reduced cold start/low load emissions and higher power outputs. While the technology offers engineers incredible flexibility from an engine design perspective, it is not without faults. As with any new technology it is important to understand both the positives and negatives before you choose, say a compact car with GDI or one regular fuel injection. If you want to keep your car for a long period of time, the long-term reliability of a GDI engine is an important factor.

The effect of increased percentages of ethanol on injector longevity.

The percentage of ethanol in gasoline at the pumps is steadily increasing. Ethanol has a tendency to increase the corrosion rate of the various metals used in an engine. Add this to the elevated fuel pressure and the fact the injector is directly exposed to in-cylinder combustion events, and you have a recipe for a recall. Furthermore, these injectors are very sensitive to fuel quality due to outrageously tight tolerances. It is very important to use high quality fuels and keep the filters clean.

Higher pressures in general.

GDI requires significantly higher fuel inlet pressures than port injection. This puts a great deal of strain on every piece of the fuel delivery chain. This is not a problem on a new engine. 50,000 miles down the road, and it may be. Manufacturers have been relatively proactive in this department by specifying robust, stainless steel fuel lines and connections. That hasn’t stopped fuel pump recalls from already occurring

Carbon buildup on intake valves.

This is the big problem with most current GDI engines. Due to modern unburned hydrocarbon (UHC) regulations, vapors from the crankcase are usually vented into the intake stream in order to prevent oil droplets from escaping through the exhaust. In a port injection engine, these droplets are ‘washed off’ the neck of the intake valve by a relatively constant stream of gasoline droplets. In a GDI engine, the gasoline doesn’t touch intake side of the valve. As a result, the droplets have a tendency to bake onto the valve and significantly reduce performance. To add to this effect, many advanced GDI engines also include exhaust gas recirculation in order to lean out the combustion mixture and reduce in-cylinder temperatures for certain combustion modes (reducing NOx emissions). Since GDI combustion has the ability to produce far more soot than premixed combustion (port injection), the problem is magnified.

Even more alarming is that these deposits can dislodge and damage other downstream components (turbochargers, catalytic converters, etc.). Manufacturers have added systems to capture these oil droplets and particulates, but no system is 100% effective. As a result, there are many disappointed early adopters with large repair bills. Even diesel engines haven’t been immune to these issues.

The reason these issues have slipped through to production is that they won’t show up in a 500,000 mile torture test. These types of issues will appear after years of short trips (preventing the engine from reaching operating temperature), bad batches of fuel, etc. As we approach the efficiency limits of the internal combustion engine, the engines themselves (and associated support systems) have become more complex. As with the transition from carburetors to electronic fuel injection, there will be some overlap between relatively bombproof port injected engines and the unproven, first-generation GDI engines.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/05/ask-an-engineer-gdi-problems-in-a-nutshell/
 
Hạng B2
16/10/14
110
47
28
66
134/109/41 Lý Chính Thắng, P7,Q3
Thaco nên giữ lời hứa : " chất lượng như nhau ở mọi thị trường". Giống như Ford " One Ford". Trước đây Thaco khi đưa Cerato Forte ra thị trường VN (hình như năm 2005) có tuyên bố : " lắp ráp tại VN nhưng tiêu chuẩn như sản xuất tại HQ để giảm giá bán (so với xe nhập - chất lượnh như nhau). Giờ hơn 10 năm - thời gian cũng khá dài để xóa tan và thổi bay lời hứa; khi mà doanh số tăng trưởng do người tiêu dùng ủng hộ hàng lắp ráp nội địa thì chất lượng so với hàng lắp ráp tại HQ thì có sự cách biệt khá xa.
 
Hạng B2
6/5/16
324
192
43
44
KIA nâng cấp xe bằng cách đổi tên xe, máy móc khung gầm không thay đổi.
 
Hạng B2
6/5/16
324
192
43
44
Ôi, ignorance is bliss....(dịch ra tiếng Việt là ngu si hưởng thái bình không biết đúng không nhỉ). Đọc cái này đi. Chú ý chỗ "It is very important to use high quality fuels and keep the filters clean" và chỗ "If you want to keep your car for a long period of time, the long-term reliability of a GDI engine is an important factor". Xăng ở VN bị pha tùm tum, chất lượng bậy bạ mà xài GDI thì, he he, dzui lém.. .

Even though every other car nowadays seems to offer gasoline direct injection (GDI), Mercedes-Benz was the first to exploit this technology in the 1955 300SL. But it wasn’t until the mid-1990’s that other automakers started to use GDI in mass produced vehicles. GDI promises marginal increases in fuel economy (3% reduction in BSFC ) but its real benefits include reduced cold start/low load emissions and higher power outputs. While the technology offers engineers incredible flexibility from an engine design perspective, it is not without faults. As with any new technology it is important to understand both the positives and negatives before you choose, say a compact car with GDI or one regular fuel injection. If you want to keep your car for a long period of time, the long-term reliability of a GDI engine is an important factor.

The effect of increased percentages of ethanol on injector longevity.

The percentage of ethanol in gasoline at the pumps is steadily increasing. Ethanol has a tendency to increase the corrosion rate of the various metals used in an engine. Add this to the elevated fuel pressure and the fact the injector is directly exposed to in-cylinder combustion events, and you have a recipe for a recall. Furthermore, these injectors are very sensitive to fuel quality due to outrageously tight tolerances. It is very important to use high quality fuels and keep the filters clean.

Higher pressures in general.

GDI requires significantly higher fuel inlet pressures than port injection. This puts a great deal of strain on every piece of the fuel delivery chain. This is not a problem on a new engine. 50,000 miles down the road, and it may be. Manufacturers have been relatively proactive in this department by specifying robust, stainless steel fuel lines and connections. That hasn’t stopped fuel pump recalls from already occurring

Carbon buildup on intake valves.

This is the big problem with most current GDI engines. Due to modern unburned hydrocarbon (UHC) regulations, vapors from the crankcase are usually vented into the intake stream in order to prevent oil droplets from escaping through the exhaust. In a port injection engine, these droplets are ‘washed off’ the neck of the intake valve by a relatively constant stream of gasoline droplets. In a GDI engine, the gasoline doesn’t touch intake side of the valve. As a result, the droplets have a tendency to bake onto the valve and significantly reduce performance. To add to this effect, many advanced GDI engines also include exhaust gas recirculation in order to lean out the combustion mixture and reduce in-cylinder temperatures for certain combustion modes (reducing NOx emissions). Since GDI combustion has the ability to produce far more soot than premixed combustion (port injection), the problem is magnified.

Even more alarming is that these deposits can dislodge and damage other downstream components (turbochargers, catalytic converters, etc.). Manufacturers have added systems to capture these oil droplets and particulates, but no system is 100% effective. As a result, there are many disappointed early adopters with large repair bills. Even diesel engines haven’t been immune to these issues.

The reason these issues have slipped through to production is that they won’t show up in a 500,000 mile torture test. These types of issues will appear after years of short trips (preventing the engine from reaching operating temperature), bad batches of fuel, etc. As we approach the efficiency limits of the internal combustion engine, the engines themselves (and associated support systems) have become more complex. As with the transition from carburetors to electronic fuel injection, there will be some overlap between relatively bombproof port injected engines and the unproven, first-generation GDI engines.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/05/ask-an-engineer-gdi-problems-in-a-nutshell/

hehe, công nghệ s kai ac tip hiện đại nhất quả đất nên xăng Việt Nam không đủ tiêu chuẩn, còn mec, bim, aud, lex công nghẹ lạc hậu chạy xăng Việt Nam vẫn ọk. Anh TH thay phụ tùng tàu vào máy móc để tăng lợi nhuận nện lãnh sẹo thôi.
Khóc mướn cũng phải đúng bạn nhé.
 
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